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Mamoo: Yes. And I've got. the tape from Waldo Pitkin and he, I asked him a question, I said, "Was your sister the mistress of my Grandfather?" Alice: Oh come Aphra, did you really? Mamoo: Yes, I did. Alice: You never told me that. Mamoo: And he said " No, I do not think she was. " They were very, very close friends, the families. The Pitkins... Alice: They were NOT close friends of the family. Mamoo: Waldo Pitkin told me so Alice. Alice: They were NOT. Mamoo: Waldo Pitkin told me so. Alice: He was frightened he didn't belong. Mamoo: Alice, Grandpapa used to go over there when he was very, very young and they played bridge every night. Alice: I give in to you. Mamoo: Well you don't have to give in. I don't give a darn whether you give in or not. I'm just telling you my opinion, that's all. Alice: Okay. Tell me about about your Grandmother. Now they lived in separate quarters, tell me a little about that. Mamoo: Alright, they lived in the same house but in separate quarters. Bonnemama's suite of rooms was a great big front porch, a great big bedroom, a bathroom and a sitting room. Alice: Anyhow, the whole thing is at the end of their lives the lived in separate quarters. They certainly didn't live in thei separate quarters while they were having thirteen children. Mamoo: Of course not Alice. Alice: They must have lived very well together. And Albert Baldwin lived on the other side? 18

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