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Mamoo:	I do remember one occasion when Auntie, that is my
mother's sister, the one who died at the New York City. . . the one who married Will Qttman, she was the sister of my mother and we called her Auntie and she was a lovely, lovely beautiful person and she came down from New York to visit so she came to 1707 Esplanade. And that morning when she arrived I remember being so excited and going over there and I walked there all by myself, I must have been about eight or nine years old. I was not supposed to walk there by myself. But as I came in the front door, there they all were - Grandpapa and Bonnemama and Auntie and Mama and the whole shooting match, everybody was congegrated around in the hall to greet Auntie who had Just come in from New York. And here is a little girl, came into the front hall and my mother spied me and said, "AphraJ How did you get over here?" And I said, "I walked." And she said, "By yourself? You come over here". So she came over here and picked me up and took me over to a sofa and threw my little dress back and spanked me right in front of all the family and I've never forgiven Mama for doing that. Never. But it happened that day.
Alice:	I've	never	heard THAT story, either.
Mamoo:	Well I'm telling you that is absolutely a, I remember it
just as well as I remember...very, very, very clearly.
Alice:	My spanking was a different one entirely. I was swinging
on the door of the washstand in my brother's room and it was his bedroom set and 1 broke the door nwinqinq back and forth unci back and forth. I must have been very small to sit on the door. And Mama said, "Come here I'm going to punish you. And she pulled out her hand and put it on top of my behind and spanked her own hand as hard as she could spank it.
Mamoo:	Really?
Alice:	She was mad and told me she had spanked me.
Mamoo:	I remember another lie that I told. This was when we were
a little older on Esplanade Avenue and we were skating, Arthe and I on Esplanade Avenue, and it must have been late in the afternoon and I hung on behind a wagon that came riding up the street and I was hanging on by my skates you see and Papa got out of this streetcar Just at that moment and saw me. And I was doing something that I should not have done you see and Papa was about to spank me and when somehow I told a lie. I remember distinctly. I said, "Papa, it was not I who was hanging onto that. It was Nugie." And Nugie got the spanking and I did not. I was afraid afraid.
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